This week we have two questions on the same topic. Let’s jump right in:
Women's Circles - how do you handle them? When I arrived at my current parish, we had three women's circles, all made up of women 60 and over. A couple of women said things to me that implied they thought I would be involved in the circles. But I never felt I had the time, and I'm fairly certain that, had I been a male pastor, there never would have been any expectation that I would join a circle! Over the years, I have gone to various gatherings when all three circles joined together for a party or a luncheon or some other special event. I have publicly supported their ministry by speaking of it in worship, writing about it in the newsletters, personally praising its leaders, and showing up at anything the whole congregation was invited to. I have spoken and/or sung at individual circle meetings when specifically invited to do so. I have annually celebrated, in worship, Women's Ministries Day, where the women in these circles have led in every facet of worship and were celebrated by the congregation.
And yet I have always felt like it was never enough, at least in the eyes of some of the women. As members have aged and died, the circle membership has dwindled. There are now only two circles, and it looks like membership will not increase. Some of the women have lamented the demise and have complained that younger women don't join them. But I haven't seen much evidence that they have done anything to reach out to younger women, and, honestly, I'm not sure that anything they do could attract them. As a thirtysomething working mother, I completely understand why the younger women in our church have not joined these groups. The younger women in my church are stretched about as far as they can be - they volunteer for helping with the youth ministry, the hunger ministry, the children's ministry, etc. They are running their children from one end of town to the other for various events. Most of them work outside of the home and cannot come to an early afternoon meeting for tea and snacks with women who don't struggle with their particular challenges.
I am not sure what to do for these groups at this point. The future does not seem bright for them, yet they have provided a vital part of our church's mission and ministry. Their function goes way beyond fellowship - they raise money for various missions, they provide active ministry to some of the elderly in our congregation, etc. I am wondering how others of you deal with women's groups? Have any of you tried to help revitalize them? How have these groups needed to change in order to accommodate the younger generations? What has your role been in helping them think about the future?
And our second question, which includes some more context-specific issues as well :
I am curious how others handle their women's groups. In my context this means a once a month circle meeting whose attendance has dwindled and within the next few months might end up being just two sisters. They have invited me to come, but I have often had pre-existing schedule conflicts and when I could have come it has been cancelled because of bad weather. I have been to a few. The first time I stayed until it was over, more than 3 hours! The next time I told them up front when I had to leave, to be able to get dinner before the council meeting, and set my cell phone alarm to alert me when the time was up (1.5 hours).
They have never asked me to lead it, but I have recently heard from others that they are mad I am not leading it, because the pastor should lead the circle. Most recently I came back from a week's vacation to a very manipulative email from a women who has recently decided to join the circle but has only been to one because she always forgets to come. She basically accused me of being unaware of the various factions forming in our congregation and being unable to the cement to hold the crumbling place together. In her view the only way to hold the church together now is to start coming to circle, since they are being very gracious by willing to reschedule around me (something they have not told me). I am quite aware of the problems, factions, and landmines of our congregation. Being a solo pastor in my first call in such a complicated and conflicted congregation is a big part of the reason I don't have much extra time or energy for things like attending circle. Granted I should try to make it at least a periodic priority to give these ladies some extra attention but I can't help but wonder if they would expect a male pastor to lead or even attend their circle meetings.
St. Casserole responds:
While Women's Circles may be boring and endless, I suspect the women expect clergy women to attend because we are women. Circles originated when a women's involvement in Church life was restricted to a few activities such as child care and making food for events. Those days are over in churches served by clergywomen but Circles remain. In my denomination, Circles (now called Presbyterian Women) provide common Bible study for all women and added events such as education for leadership and mission opportunities. Younger women may find the schedule of daytime meetings with long business portions (who will bring what dish to what event, will new table cloths be bought for the Fellowship Hall, etc., impossible to attend and droll beyond reason.
However, attend the Circles as often as you can. Let the Circle ladies know you value what they do. Otherwise, you are sending the same message they get everywhere else: women's Church work and being older women do not matter. You don't believe this, do you?
Circles are a great place to catch up on pastoral information you need: who is sick, whose family is having troubles, and the "scoop" on how things are going church-wide. Learn to listen to these women. They are your congregation, too. They need your attention and respect. If you can offer love to them, they will be a source of good information to help do your work well and they will love you back. Your male colleagues will never be as valuable to them as you can be just because you are one of them.
Consider turning your thinking from Circles as a "rent paying" function to a time to slow down and be with a group of people who are ready to welcome you and want you with them.
Oh friends...I feel I have no wisdom to dispense this week – but only huge quantities of empathy. I’ve been ordained (only) 16 years, but I feel as unable to answer this question now as I was at at the start – and meanwhile my list of similar examples could just go on and on.
Why does this happen over and over again in the church? A group has run for many years. It has been valued, valuable, meant a lot to people... But over the years it has dwindled and at some point it has lost touch with the next generation, and started to flag. The decreasing group is horrified, puzzled, cannot understand why people do not come – and they lash out at ‘them’ for not coming, and they lash out at their pastor for not making it all better for them.
In business it is said ’if you keep on doing what you’ve always done, you keep in getting what you’ve always got’ - but over 20 or 30 years if you keep on doing what you’ve always done, you all get older and eventually you die off. I cannot understand why groups can’t grasp this – even when they have the evidence of their own eyes.
The only eternal is God – but we try to make our church structures eternal: maybe it is idolatory, maybe it is original sin (we want to be link God).. My heart goes out to those who cannot accept decline, and to all those who must pastor them: and my only hope lies in God, whose steadfast love will be there when everything has crumbled. So my prayer for pastors is to keep faithful to God, keep pointing people to Christ, and keep praying that the Spirit will never let your sense of perspective or your sense of humour fail!
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So, two fairly different responses there! How have the rest of you related to the women's circles in your churches? Do any of you have stories of having helped revitalize them (if that was an issue)? What other thoughts or experiences could you share?
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